Talk:Sweet Justice/@comment-44921797-20200227160707/@comment-44921797-20200228162403

@ U-man74 : I perfectly understand your point, and it's a good start you're admitting you need help, but attacking those trying to help won't get you anywhere !

I did not ask for help anywhere. Read my posts again. I only defend my point of view. If critics are counted as *attacking*, then how will you gain progress as a website/community thing? Just because someone does not agree with you, does not mean he wants to *attack* you. I have kept it in civil manner, even offered to help.

''There is nothing wrong with a disclaimer, but I find it kinda silly to put one ! because I don't think people first google for a game called smutstone, then stumble upon this wiki, and finally start playing ! it's the other way around : you, me and all others first played the game, and after realizing we've been cheated, then we started googling, and finally found this wiki ! and it's for a good reason that it's the 1st in search results, simply because people find what they're looking for in it, not necessarily all, but at least a good place to get ahead without spending.''

Yes and i explained why it is not silly to put a disclaimer. It is only silly because you think, there is no need for that. Again, how much work is this? A task done in 1/2 hour at most and you need to do it only once. That much, i am asking here. Yes, of course, newbies will start to google, in the middle of a tournament or after spending money. Out of nothing, no one will google sweet justice or smutstone, i think this is selfexplained. Still the first page where they land is here (at this event page) and that is my main point. Again you answer just halfhearted here. Try to discuss what is written. The reason why it is 1st in search result, is simply because no other alternatives exists. This is the only page, where you can get *help* if you so call it. You should be proud of this, but also think about the responsibility you have by that, because that is what i am trying to explain to you. If you need a compliment, here it is: 1st in google search result. On the next event, this will repeat itself again, newbies will land on that event page.

I mostly deal with event pages like this one, and as you said, the main point of those pages is the path quests and map stages, the "dumb copy&paste" is just a trivial reminder to fill the gaps, but serve as a reference for next events, that's why I put only objective info, with short and clear texts, so readers can easily find what they're looking for.

I got this. The point is what you gain from that info and if it helps a newbie, without a disclaimer. Only veterans or experienced players, can really do something with that info. A newbie will mostly be baited. You can read it already in the comments.

It wasn't me who wrote the guidelines, but Knepal (with some help from others), who was amongst the first to think about a manual to help beginners, by starting from scratch just to see how hard it is to get a decent level, with all the available info here, but some time is required to fully understand what you need to do, which includes reading those "too long to read" texts, and I do agree that it needs to be updated !

I doubt the experience is the same now, by using the beginners guide. I want to be clear here: I read both guides a several times, dont worry. I am not angry that i spend any money, be it in the past or now. At this event, i spend 40 rubys so far. My gold amount is slightly higher than at start and my normal deck gained about 400points extra.

If i am angry about something, than it is the fact, that i still can not win something of value in a 21-day event, even after months of playing. But this has not to do with you or this site at all.

The point you're missing (because you are new here) is that this wiki was about to get deleted a few months ago, that's why it's still a gamble for anyone wasting time trying to update anything here, but still there are some people posting here and there trying to help, so feel free to add a new page to discuss about any difficulties, expectations or needs you want others to address to help beginners.

I did not miss this point, i read it somewhere in the guides and it was one of the many points, where i asked myself, why do i need to read that. With such stories in beginner guides, you start losing the focus as a beginner who reads this AND losing the focus as a writer of this guides. There is absolute no place in a beginnerguide, where that info is needed. It only adds to TLTR. For me TLTR explains like this: the problem is, you lose the focus. You can not put stuff together in terms of what is important and what not anymore.

That is what TLTR for me means, because i dont want to give you a feeling of "attacking" you or give you the feeling, i dont want to read any guide here.